Can you tree radio

Remember elevated radials make the antenna shorter. Meaning, the measured height or length of the antenna must be measured from the radials, not the ground below the radials. K2WH , Aug 6, Thanks guys! I didn't know the SteppIR verticals didn't change height - shows you how much I have to learn! One of them on my lot is 5 ft in diameter We only get about 19" of rain a year, so the trees are pretty dry, but they do get irrigated.

The trees are pretty high, and the canopy is pretty wide towards the ground - maybe ft, though there is an oak that is much wider, but not so tall and the trunk is not straight enough to mount an antenna. I guess I could stretch the radials out a bit in the canopy. They wouldn't be horizontal, but they wouldn't come down as far. If I couldn't make them horizontal, that would still be ok? I have to be careful as a dipole end going to be there too, but that is much higher in the tree, near it's apex.

You think 4 radials for each band would work still in this configuration? Good point about the insulation. Will definitely take that into consideration. So you think if I can mechanically mount it securely enough, it would work as well as a vertical on a roof? You must log in or sign up to reply here. And so the whole family and uncles and aunts and cousins, we all rush up there.

There is Jigs at the bottom of the outhouse. Probably six feet down at the bottom of the outhouse pit. You know, where we've all been, you know, doing our daily business. He'd fallen in, he's looking up at us, quite scared and very unhappy that he was covered and uhm, and toilet paper. And of course we had to get Jigs out.

I mean, Jigs was part of the family and,. Basically expanding it from a kind of a column of a pit to something that we could actually grab onto his front legs and pull them out. And so we were digging away and Jigs was, you know, looking up with his paws, you know, looking at us waiting. And they're digging and digging and digging and all of a sudden she says she looks down into the ground and she notices all around them where the soil has been cleared away.

There are roots upon roots upon roots in this thick, crazy tangle. We're sitting on the exposed root system, which has like, it is like a mat. It's, it's like, it's just a massive mat of intertwining, exposed roots that you could walk across to never fall through.

She says, it was like this moment where she realizes, Oh my God, there's this whole other world right beneath my feet. Jigs had provided this incredible window for me, you know, in this digging escapade to see how many different colors they were, how many different shapes there were, that they were so intertwined.

As abundant, as what was going on above ground. It was magic for me. Jigs emerged. We pulled Jigs out and we threw him in the lake with a great deal of yelping and cursing and swearing, and Jigs was cleaned off. But that day with the roots is the day that she began thinking about the forest that exists underneath the forest.

And now if you fast forward roughly 30 years, she then makes a discovery that I find kind of amazing. She's working in the timber industry at the time. This is by the way, what her entire family had done, her dad and her grandparents. And when I came on the scene in the s as a Forester, we were into industrial, large scale, clear cutting in Western Canada, huge machines, loaders and cats.

She says a timber company would move in and clear cut an entire patch of forest and then plant some new trees. And she says she began to notice things that, you know, one wouldn't really expect, like trees of different species are supposed to fight each other for sunshine. You've heard that.

They shade each other out. And they fiercely, you know, they, they push each other away so they can get to the sky. But she was noticing that in a little patch of forest that she was studying, if she had, say, a birch tree next to a Fir tree. And as she took out the birch,. The Douglas fir became diseased and, and died. There was some kind of benefit from the birch to the Fir. There was a healthier community when they were mixed, and I wanted to figure out why. Well of course there could be a home, any number of reasons why, you know, one tree is affected by another, but she had a kind of maybe call it a Jigs-ian recollection.

Because she knew that scientists had proposed years before that maybe there's an underground economy that exists among trees that we can't see. And she wondered whether that was true. And so I designed this experiment to figure that out.

It was a simple little experiment. Douglas fir, birch and cedar. And then I would cover them in plastic bags. So I'd seal the plant the tree in a plastic bag.

And then I would inject gas. So tagged with a, with an isotope, which is radioactive. So these trees were basically covered with bags that were then filled with radioactive gas.

We had a Geiger counter out there. As soon as we labeled them, we used the Geiger counter to -- and ran it up and down the trees, and we could tell that they were hot, they were boo boo boo boo boo, right? And the idea was she wanted to know like once the radioactive particles were in the tree, what happens next? Would they stay in the tree or would they go down to the roots? And then what happens? And what she discovered is. Like if you put a food into one tree over here, it would end up in another tree, maybe 30 feet away over there.

And then a third tree over here. And then a fourth tree over there. And a fifth tree over there. Sixth, seventh, eighth, ninth, 10th, 11th, all in all turns out one tree was connected to 47 other trees all around it. It was like, it was like a huge network. And we were able to map the network. And what we found was that the trees were the biggest and the oldest were the most highly connected. And so we, you know, we identified these as kind of like hubs in the network.

And when you look at the map that you see your circles sprouting lines and then connecting to other circles also sprouting lines and it begins to look a lot like an airline flight map, but even more dense.

It's just this incredible communications network that, you know, people had no idea about in the past, because we couldn't, didn't know how to look. It's definitely crazy. I mean, you're out there in the forest and you see all these trees, and you think they're individuals just like animals, right?

I spoke to her with our producer Ledif Nasser and she told us that this, this network has developed a kind of a nice punny sort of name. You mean, like the World Wide Web? It's now the Wood Wide Web? It sounds a little like Elmer Fudd. The Wood Wide Web. So this Wood Wide Web, is this just like the roots, like what she saw in the outhouse? No, no, no, no, no, no. It's far more exciting than that and sophisticated and interesting and astonishing. It is. It involves a completely separate organism.

I haven't mentioned yet. I mean this is going places. I'm not going to tell you. I'm going to just go there. I mean we went and looked for ourselves. I don't know where you were that day. Annie McEwen, Stephanie Tam, our intern, and he's our producer.

We decided all to go to to check it out for ourselves, this thing I'm not telling you about, we went to the Bronx to the Botanical Gardens, because,.

Actually, there's beautiful green sward New York has and when we went up there there was this tall man waiting for us. An expert. His name is Roy Halling. And Roy, by the way, comes out with the strange, it's like a rake. And he starts digging with his rake at the base of this tree. He shoves away the leaves, he shoves away the top soil. We're carefully examining the roots of this Oak tree on our knees with our noses in the ground. And we can't see anything. I mean I see the dirt.

He said something about that's the wrong season. I thought, okay, so this is just stupid. But then,. He gives us a magnifying glass, you know one of those little jeweler's glasses? Smaller than an eyelash. Maybe just a 10th the width of your eyelash, but white translucent and hairy sort of. And while it took us a while to see it, apparently these little threads in the soil,.

And when you measure them, like one study we saw, found up to seven miles of this little threading. They're are some other kind of category, and for a long time they were thought of as plants, but now we know after having looked at their DNA of fungi are actually very closely related to animals.

They're one of our closest relatives, actually. When people first began thinking about these things, we're talking in the s, they had no idea what they were or what they did, but ultimately they figured out that these things were very ancient because if you look at million year old fossils of some of the very first plants,.

And then later scientists finally looked at these things under much more powerful microscopes and realized the threads weren't threads really, they were actually,. So there seem to be under the ground, this fungal freeway system connecting one tree to the next, to the next to the next. People speculated about this, but no one had actually proved it in nature in the woods until Suzanne shows up.

And there was a lot of skepticism at the time. But over the next two decades, we did experiment after experiment after experiment that verified that story. Wait a second, wait a second, what is this? Why is this network even? They're like, why would the trees need a freeway system underneath the ground to connect and why would the, why would the fungi want to make this network? Well they do it because the tree has something, the fungus needs and the fungus has something that tree needs.

Let me just back up for a second so that you could, you can, to set the scene for me. What's its job? It's soaks in sunshine takes the CO2 out of the air, carbon dioxide, which has of course carbon, C, in it. It turns that carbon into sugar, which it uses to make its trunk and its branches.

Anything thick you see on a tree is just basically air made stuff. You can think of the carbon is basically the sugar that builds the tree. However, if that's all they had was carbon. So if all a tree could do is get carbon from the air, you'd have a tree the size of a tulip.

A floppy tulip. A tree needs something else. And what a tree needs are minerals. Minerals from the soil. Very similar to the sorts of vitamins and minerals that humans need. No, so for example, lignin is important for making a tree stand up straight. And lignin is full of nitrogen, but also compounds like nitrogen is important in DNA, right?

It's an integral part of DNA. Oh, so this is, like, crucial. If I want to be a healthy tree and reach for the sky, then I need, I need rocks in me somehow. Liquid rocks. The fungus has this incredible network of tubes that it's able to send out through the soil, and draw up water and mineral nutrients that the tree needs. I thought, I thought tree roots just sort of did, like, I thought, I always imagined tree roots were kind of like straws.

Like, the tree was, like, already doing that stuff by itself, but it's the fungus that's doing that stuff? Yes, in a lot of cases it is the fungus. Because tree roots and a lot of plant roots are not actually very good at doing what you think they're doing. She says the tree can only suck up what it needs through these -- mostly through the teeny tips of its roots, and that's not enough bandwidth.

The fungi needs sugar to build their bodies, the same way that we use our food to build our bodies. They can't photosynthesize. They can't take up CO2. And so they have this trading system with trees. She says what will happen under the ground is that the fungal tubes will stretch up toward the tree roots, and then they'll tell the tree,. With their chemical language, I'm in the neighborhood. Can you, will you soften your roots so that I can invade your root system?

And the tree gets the message, and it sends a message back and says, Yeah, I can do that. The wife says this approach is okay with her, and that's always good to hear.

Any comments on the viability of this approach would also be welcome. Thanks to all. This may seem to be an odd question but, what kind of tree? One of the problems with tree mounts is that either the tree grows around the mount or the mount straddles and strangles the tree.

Tree mounts should be removed and remounted every year to prevent damaging the tree; if a tree is used to support a wire antenna, some kind of counterbalance or bungee-cord tensioner is needed to keep the wire antenna from breaking when the tree moves with the wind. AD7N , Sep 3, I have helped a pro install antennas in trees for many years. The tree of choice around here is the white pine. We have done this for both large television antennas and vertical FM gain type antennas And in the '70's for CB antennas.

Be sure to run a nice heavy wire from the mast to ground rods at the base for lightning. It is rough to somehow attach the coax coming down the tree, As the tree keeps growing around any staples Some of these installations have been up for over 30 years now, And do not kill the tree Join Joy, Hilarie and Sophia each week.

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